This study of nurses has some obvious flaws First among them is that in the 70’s a huge percentage of healthcare professionals smoked. When I joined the profession in the mid 80s, I considered taking up smoking just so I could get an extra break or two. There were cigarette machines in the hospital in case you ran out, for Pete’s sake. And I worked with a cardiac surgeon who took a smoke break as soon as we went on bypass.
So I question the sample here
Same thing goes for alcohol. I’m guessing that the participants self selected out of the study if they hit the bars after shift as so many people did.
There were no support groups, no code lavenders, no laugh breaks, no compassionate leave or debriefing sessions. Pretty much, it was clean it up and get back to work
While my hat’s off to the nurses who agreed to be followed for 60 years, I have to question how accurate a sample this is
I think it is marvelous that someone 60 years ago did their best to create a long-term study to understand what women thought. Far too much study has been devoted to men over the years with little to women. While the items are the list are common sense today, they clearly were not in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
Exactly what you said. At least women were being asked and have been followed all these years. Societal changes should be reflected by that fact alone. My habits in the 70s and 80s were atrocious compared to today but my lifestyle has changed as well. I’m on the doorstep of turning 80, live by myself and have few worries. My diet and weight are better now so the rest is up to my genetic makeup and just staying on my feet.
As for the rest of the horrible news, it totally sucks right now but there is very little I can control.
My youngest son is flying into town tomorrow for a two week visit. It’s happy time coming.
I would be interested to see how the results have changed over the years. Like a previous poster says, society attitudes towards smoking, drinking, exercise and nutrition have changed dramatically since the '70's. I know how much my attitudes have changed since the 70's, although part of that is due to aging and becoming a parent. These kinds of studies are always interesting regardless of how "correct" the information may be.
And why on earth hasn't Trump followed Nixon to being impeached? Are the politicians so corrupt and afraid that they can't stand up to this? What a sad, scary state of affairs. I fear the US is no longer a democracy.
Melissa, I agree about the impeachment, but it has nothing to do w/ democracy.
I think of Ben Sasse & what he says about those who think staying in Washington is wonderful. I support term limits. Bozos won't do anything, on either side, because they want to be re-elected.
Ben Sasse - Senator from Nebraska, 2014-23 until he 'retired' after being diagnosed w/ pancreatic cancer:
"Congress is filled with folks who are so desperate to keep that job that they don't wanna do anything that upsets anybody. So nobody takes any risk. And why don't we just figure out a way to do, why do we do a quick take to say it was the other party's side that nothing happened, when both sides are pretty happy to do nothing- and say the other side is the reason why. So what do we do about it? You gotta elect different kinda people, people who are super skeptical of politics, not people who've spent their whole life trying to get to Washington, but people who view it kind of Cincinnatus style or George Washington style as, I gotta serve for a term. But man, I wanna get back to Mount Vernon. I wanna get back to my vineyard and my family and my grandkids. I do not wanna move to Washington, D.C. for the rest of my life. We can have a debate about term limits, but the more interesting thing would be if the voters self-consciously only wanted to elect people who wanted the self-term limit 'cause they didn't wanna be here forever. Weirdos wanna be here forever.
I agree, and I also think there is way too much money in the political process. Should be limits on the amount of donations, restrictions on corporate donations, and limits to how much people can spend to get elected. But I doubt it will ever change.
"Immediate problem: many doctors just filled out the forms on their wives’ behalf"
This says it all. Women's health has forever been considered something that male doctors thought they knew everything about. They didn't have to actually listen to women regarding their symptoms, it was all in the medical books...written by other men.
The fact that they had the gall to answer the questions on behalf of their wives shows why women's health is still in the dark ages:
Endometriosis -all in their heads. Monthly periods- "Ugh, it's that time of the month again, steer clear". Menopause- she's crazy, she's losing it, just a midlife crisis, empty nest syndrome, etc. Other menopause related issues: clearly she doesn't love her husband anymore. Because we know it's all about him.
Thank God those nurses chose to participate. Yes, I'm sure there were flaws in the study, but it's the closest we've gotten to truthful, first person responses. I would love to know what the questions were. I'm sure they only scratched the surface because, in 2026, we wouldn't still be fighting for someone to actually listen and diagnose, rather than write a script for Xanax and muscle relaxers.
I don’t know how Democrats chose the first item as the most corrupt when the 3rd item is equally corrupt in my view. Never mind the tons of other corrupt actions this criminal president has taken. Sheesh
“As part of the Justice Department’s compensation fund deal, officials vowed not to pursue any matters, including those involving President Trump’s tax returns, that are pending.”
“That's why Johnson & Johnson has proudly championed the nursing profession for over 125 years. We provide scholarships, advocacy, leadership and clinical education, while empowering nurse innovation and working to build a diverse nurse workforce.”
This study of nurses has some obvious flaws First among them is that in the 70’s a huge percentage of healthcare professionals smoked. When I joined the profession in the mid 80s, I considered taking up smoking just so I could get an extra break or two. There were cigarette machines in the hospital in case you ran out, for Pete’s sake. And I worked with a cardiac surgeon who took a smoke break as soon as we went on bypass.
So I question the sample here
Same thing goes for alcohol. I’m guessing that the participants self selected out of the study if they hit the bars after shift as so many people did.
There were no support groups, no code lavenders, no laugh breaks, no compassionate leave or debriefing sessions. Pretty much, it was clean it up and get back to work
While my hat’s off to the nurses who agreed to be followed for 60 years, I have to question how accurate a sample this is
I think it is marvelous that someone 60 years ago did their best to create a long-term study to understand what women thought. Far too much study has been devoted to men over the years with little to women. While the items are the list are common sense today, they clearly were not in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
Reverse
This country has run out of time.
And do not try to tell me
there are still hands willing to do the work.
The receipts have stopped mattering.
It would be a lie to suggest
people are still listening.
We have been left alone with the noise.
I refuse to believe
the truth still has weight.
Silence is what won.
You will never convince me that
what we write still matters.
This is the end of it.
And no one alive will say
tomorrow is something worth keeping.
Forward
Tomorrow is something worth keeping.
And no one alive will say
this is the end of it.
What we write still matters.
You will never convince me that
silence is what won.
The truth still has weight.
I refuse to believe
we have been left alone with the noise.
People are still listening.
It would be a lie to suggest
the receipts have stopped mattering.
There are still hands willing to do the work.
And do not try to tell me
this country has run out of time.
* * *
Same words. Opposite country.
— Gloria Horton-Young
https://gloriahortonyoung.substack.com/p/read-down-for-the-surrender-read?r=g5hbu&utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web
Exactly what you said. At least women were being asked and have been followed all these years. Societal changes should be reflected by that fact alone. My habits in the 70s and 80s were atrocious compared to today but my lifestyle has changed as well. I’m on the doorstep of turning 80, live by myself and have few worries. My diet and weight are better now so the rest is up to my genetic makeup and just staying on my feet.
As for the rest of the horrible news, it totally sucks right now but there is very little I can control.
My youngest son is flying into town tomorrow for a two week visit. It’s happy time coming.
Enjoy the visit!!
Ah, the youngest son is always the best child!😬
I would be interested to see how the results have changed over the years. Like a previous poster says, society attitudes towards smoking, drinking, exercise and nutrition have changed dramatically since the '70's. I know how much my attitudes have changed since the 70's, although part of that is due to aging and becoming a parent. These kinds of studies are always interesting regardless of how "correct" the information may be.
And why on earth hasn't Trump followed Nixon to being impeached? Are the politicians so corrupt and afraid that they can't stand up to this? What a sad, scary state of affairs. I fear the US is no longer a democracy.
Melissa, I agree about the impeachment, but it has nothing to do w/ democracy.
I think of Ben Sasse & what he says about those who think staying in Washington is wonderful. I support term limits. Bozos won't do anything, on either side, because they want to be re-elected.
Ben Sasse - Senator from Nebraska, 2014-23 until he 'retired' after being diagnosed w/ pancreatic cancer:
"Congress is filled with folks who are so desperate to keep that job that they don't wanna do anything that upsets anybody. So nobody takes any risk. And why don't we just figure out a way to do, why do we do a quick take to say it was the other party's side that nothing happened, when both sides are pretty happy to do nothing- and say the other side is the reason why. So what do we do about it? You gotta elect different kinda people, people who are super skeptical of politics, not people who've spent their whole life trying to get to Washington, but people who view it kind of Cincinnatus style or George Washington style as, I gotta serve for a term. But man, I wanna get back to Mount Vernon. I wanna get back to my vineyard and my family and my grandkids. I do not wanna move to Washington, D.C. for the rest of my life. We can have a debate about term limits, but the more interesting thing would be if the voters self-consciously only wanted to elect people who wanted the self-term limit 'cause they didn't wanna be here forever. Weirdos wanna be here forever.
I agree, and I also think there is way too much money in the political process. Should be limits on the amount of donations, restrictions on corporate donations, and limits to how much people can spend to get elected. But I doubt it will ever change.
that and shorter times for elections to be run.
"Immediate problem: many doctors just filled out the forms on their wives’ behalf"
This says it all. Women's health has forever been considered something that male doctors thought they knew everything about. They didn't have to actually listen to women regarding their symptoms, it was all in the medical books...written by other men.
The fact that they had the gall to answer the questions on behalf of their wives shows why women's health is still in the dark ages:
Endometriosis -all in their heads. Monthly periods- "Ugh, it's that time of the month again, steer clear". Menopause- she's crazy, she's losing it, just a midlife crisis, empty nest syndrome, etc. Other menopause related issues: clearly she doesn't love her husband anymore. Because we know it's all about him.
Thank God those nurses chose to participate. Yes, I'm sure there were flaws in the study, but it's the closest we've gotten to truthful, first person responses. I would love to know what the questions were. I'm sure they only scratched the surface because, in 2026, we wouldn't still be fighting for someone to actually listen and diagnose, rather than write a script for Xanax and muscle relaxers.
I don’t know how Democrats chose the first item as the most corrupt when the 3rd item is equally corrupt in my view. Never mind the tons of other corrupt actions this criminal president has taken. Sheesh
You mean like this?
I.R.S. Must Drop Audits of Trump and Family
“As part of the Justice Department’s compensation fund deal, officials vowed not to pursue any matters, including those involving President Trump’s tax returns, that are pending.”
— NYT
Yep. Like that and frankly too many more to count.
Saw this on the fridge while getting chemo. Seems fitting with Bill’s theme of the day:
“You are scientists, leaders, advocates, innovators, healers, problem solvers, teachers, data-analysts, influencers, intermediaries, therapists, dot-connectors, cheerleaders, caregivers, entrepreneurs, consolers, diplomats, solution seekers, hope-givers, hand-holders, tear-dryers, brow-wipers, comforters, mind readers, negotiators, comedians, spiritual advisors, inventors, trail blazers, gatekeepers, listeners, inspirers, pioneers, ground breakers, nurses.
“It takes nurses to make healthcare work.“
“That's why Johnson & Johnson has proudly championed the nursing profession for over 125 years. We provide scholarships, advocacy, leadership and clinical education, while empowering nurse innovation and working to build a diverse nurse workforce.”