Preface this by saying that I won't vote for either
I think this could/should be rewritten:
"Nearly 1 in 5 Republicans say that if Donald Trump loses the 2024 election, he should declare the results invalid and do whatever it takes to assume office, according to a new national survey."
much better way to say/write this!!!!
OVER 4 out of 5 Republicans say that if Donald Trump loses the 2024 election, he should NOT declare the results invalid.
I DETEST HEADLINES LIKE THAT. And how many people were surveyed? That is such BS!!! It should NOT be reposted.
All of this is detailed in the linked article and then the original source. But it's long, I can't include it all of course.
That said, you sparked me to take a second look and here's another fascinating stat:
"Nearly half of Americans (49%) agree that there is a real danger that Trump will use the presidency to become a dictator, compared to only 28% who hold similar concerns about Harris."
Bill, to DJ I's point, it is not 49% of Americans, but 49% of those polled. Without knowing if the sample was truly random, or how the questions were phrased, it's a real stretch to put much credibility in polling results. Regardless, for anyone triggered by the "dictator" word, I would invite them to listen to the Oct 11th Freakonomics podcast episode on the presidency featuring Eric Posner, Professor of Law at the University of Chicago. He explains why a dictatorship cannot and will not happen regardless of who the occupant happens to be.
and people crying "dictator" are the same as those crying "the sky is falling" on both sides, which I don't fall for. As David implied, there are too many checks & balances in our government, thank goodness, for any of the gloom & doom sayers to have any truth to their protests.
as I said, I won't vote for either. IMO, they are both awful in their own ways. Our nation will remain divided no matter who wins, & I look forward to 2028 when I hope a sane Republican will be the nominee. I predict Harris will win now & then the D's will be stuck w/ her in 2028, & I don't think they'll be too happy about that. They migh, however, have an open convention.
I understand your apathy with both candidates and I agree both are seriously flawed humans. That said, I ask you to consider that you are not voting for one person -- you are voting for 5,000 people who will go to Washington and make policy for the next four years. I don't vote for a person; I vote for a platform. I actually read the platforms that each party publishes after their national convention, and decide which one most closely aligns with my values, and I vote accordingly. Sometimes holding my nose while I do it...
I understand... will be going in sometime this week to vote early & it will be a last minute decision. I know for a fact that I won't vote for Harris. Absolutely cannot agree w/ her platform, believe she'll move left as fast as possible, altho as I've said thank goodness for checks & balances... I've never voted for Trump, can't stand him. I'll vote R all the way down ticket... I've read their platforms vs their opponents & totally support... I've voted Libertarian several times in the past, & could repeat that again...??? or leave blank, or not???
To be clear why it doesn't matter — I live in a very blue state. If Trump were to win New Jersey, he would already have won a lot more than 270 electoral votes.
I'm in a red state. I just voted. And I plugged my nose - totally because I was angry. Angry about headlines/lead-ins, misinformation, hatred being thrown. I've been saying on so many occasions, boards that I had never voted for him/never would, can't stand him, but I'm around a lot of people who plan on voting for him so hear many "why's". NONE of them like him they like his platform, they would have MUCH preferred someone else. They don't care for Vance. THEY'RE angry about the very apparent "Let's get Trump" efforts everywhere. Some of which are deserved. but many of which are 'trumped' up. Bill, truthfully your lead-in headlines really tipped the bucket today towards the angry side.
when raising my kids I always tried to keep a regular bedtime schedule for them, & I think they do the same w/ their kids. I think I've mentioned before I used to bribe my kids w/ reading time in order to get them to get ready for bed on time. They LOVED to be read to before they were able to read, & loved to read before lights-out, so that bribe worked!
I think those who don't have a regular bed time probably have 'other' things going on as you indicated, ie, living environments...
& personally, now, I know I sleep much better when sticking to a routine.
and a ha ha to the photo you added - my older brother & I had a feather pillow fight once right after the floors were waxed. BIG OOPS, cause that photo was exactly what happened!
My husband would love that 3 minute goodbye hug for my family gatherings. He thinks we should start saying goodbye the minute we get there so, when we say we’re leaving at 11, it doesn’t mean we start saying goodbye at 11 and finally get out the door at midnight.
On the "...nearly 1 in 5 Republicans" item, the Axios source article also said that 12% of Harris supporters believed she should also declare the results invalid if she loses. PRRI and Brookings conducted the survey, and Axios reported the results. PRRI is least-biased according to Media Bias/Fact Check, but both Axios and Brookings lean left. Context matters.
On the "10 Commandments in the classroom" item, the term "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution. That may have been the AP's choice of words in the source article, but opponents of measures like this usually hang their hats on the Establishment Clause. I think it's still a thin-ice argument, because the founders never objected to symbols of faith being present in public places.
Bill of Rights, in the United States, the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which were adopted as a single unit on December 15, 1791, and which constitute a collection of mutually reinforcing guarantees of individual rights and of limitations on federal and state governments.
The first clause in the Bill of Rights states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” This establishment clause, within the First Amendment, has its roots in early American thought.
Amendment: : the process of altering or amending a law or document (such as a constitution) by parliamentary or constitutional procedure.
Darrell, yeah, that's why I referenced the Establishment Clause in my initial reply. By "Constitution", I mentally included all the amendments, as most people do. I'm sure the Louisiana legislators examined applicable case law and precedent here, and were careful not to require school students to recite the 10 Commandments along with the Pledge of Allegiance. That would put them crossways with Engel vs. Vitale, Abington School District vs Schempp, Lee vs Weisman, et. al. Historically, most of these Establishment clause cases are decided by 5-4 votes in the Supreme Court when they get that far...
Darrell, that may be true for some of them, but they certainly don't have a monopoly on that now, do they? Whatever someone worships is the cornerstone of their personal religion. It may be their definition of God, but can also be atheism, veganism, intoxicants, bike-only cities, stop-oil activism, popular celebrities, politicians, the list is endless and it's in all our faces all the time. Regardless of how one feels about organized religion, I don't think it's a bad thing to remind children every chance we have that they should respect their parents, and shouldn't lie, steal, or murder. I hope we can agree on that at least. I'm bouncing off this thread -- I sense it moving away from civility.
Morals are not are not exclusive to religions dogma. Plenty of people have morals equal to or perhaps even higher than some “religious” people.
“…that they should respect their parents, and shouldn't lie, steal, or murder. “ I can agree with that 100%.
I think a former republican sums it up nicely:
“There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.”
Maybe it's being an old man but this election is no more, no less, important than those that have gone before. Arc of time sort of thing. We have survived 250 years. Whatever happens, we'll continue to survive.
I think all about equal. With the exception of Reagan if I had to pick one.. That one is higher only because, while I didn't think he'd be the best, he was what was needed at the time. Someone to restore America's belief in itself. Maybe that's what we need now, after covid and the economic turmoil it brought. It's up to y'all who you think can do that. Me, I voted for Harris.
As a Boomer who managed to raise two reasonably intelligent sons, I made darn sure they had regular, age appropriate bedtimes and I read to them almost every night. Why anyone would want small children running around all hours is beyond me. Yes, it’s not easy being a parent but for many years that’s our job title. We can be friends as adults. Cosseting, helicoptering does no one any good in the long run.
With most of the political comments tipping into what I would call “creative”, I’ll leave y’all with this commentary from one of my state’s online news sources. Keep in mind, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Preface this by saying that I won't vote for either
I think this could/should be rewritten:
"Nearly 1 in 5 Republicans say that if Donald Trump loses the 2024 election, he should declare the results invalid and do whatever it takes to assume office, according to a new national survey."
much better way to say/write this!!!!
OVER 4 out of 5 Republicans say that if Donald Trump loses the 2024 election, he should NOT declare the results invalid.
I DETEST HEADLINES LIKE THAT. And how many people were surveyed? That is such BS!!! It should NOT be reposted.
All of this is detailed in the linked article and then the original source. But it's long, I can't include it all of course.
That said, you sparked me to take a second look and here's another fascinating stat:
"Nearly half of Americans (49%) agree that there is a real danger that Trump will use the presidency to become a dictator, compared to only 28% who hold similar concerns about Harris."
https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/
Bill, to DJ I's point, it is not 49% of Americans, but 49% of those polled. Without knowing if the sample was truly random, or how the questions were phrased, it's a real stretch to put much credibility in polling results. Regardless, for anyone triggered by the "dictator" word, I would invite them to listen to the Oct 11th Freakonomics podcast episode on the presidency featuring Eric Posner, Professor of Law at the University of Chicago. He explains why a dictatorship cannot and will not happen regardless of who the occupant happens to be.
Makes complete sense!!!
the article was blocked to me
and people crying "dictator" are the same as those crying "the sky is falling" on both sides, which I don't fall for. As David implied, there are too many checks & balances in our government, thank goodness, for any of the gloom & doom sayers to have any truth to their protests.
as I said, I won't vote for either. IMO, they are both awful in their own ways. Our nation will remain divided no matter who wins, & I look forward to 2028 when I hope a sane Republican will be the nominee. I predict Harris will win now & then the D's will be stuck w/ her in 2028, & I don't think they'll be too happy about that. They migh, however, have an open convention.
I understand your apathy with both candidates and I agree both are seriously flawed humans. That said, I ask you to consider that you are not voting for one person -- you are voting for 5,000 people who will go to Washington and make policy for the next four years. I don't vote for a person; I vote for a platform. I actually read the platforms that each party publishes after their national convention, and decide which one most closely aligns with my values, and I vote accordingly. Sometimes holding my nose while I do it...
I understand... will be going in sometime this week to vote early & it will be a last minute decision. I know for a fact that I won't vote for Harris. Absolutely cannot agree w/ her platform, believe she'll move left as fast as possible, altho as I've said thank goodness for checks & balances... I've never voted for Trump, can't stand him. I'll vote R all the way down ticket... I've read their platforms vs their opponents & totally support... I've voted Libertarian several times in the past, & could repeat that again...??? or leave blank, or not???
Curious what state you are in?
I voted already. I know my vote for president really doesn't matter. But I did it as soon as I could anyway.
To be clear why it doesn't matter — I live in a very blue state. If Trump were to win New Jersey, he would already have won a lot more than 270 electoral votes.
I'm in a red state. I just voted. And I plugged my nose - totally because I was angry. Angry about headlines/lead-ins, misinformation, hatred being thrown. I've been saying on so many occasions, boards that I had never voted for him/never would, can't stand him, but I'm around a lot of people who plan on voting for him so hear many "why's". NONE of them like him they like his platform, they would have MUCH preferred someone else. They don't care for Vance. THEY'RE angry about the very apparent "Let's get Trump" efforts everywhere. Some of which are deserved. but many of which are 'trumped' up. Bill, truthfully your lead-in headlines really tipped the bucket today towards the angry side.
when raising my kids I always tried to keep a regular bedtime schedule for them, & I think they do the same w/ their kids. I think I've mentioned before I used to bribe my kids w/ reading time in order to get them to get ready for bed on time. They LOVED to be read to before they were able to read, & loved to read before lights-out, so that bribe worked!
I think those who don't have a regular bed time probably have 'other' things going on as you indicated, ie, living environments...
& personally, now, I know I sleep much better when sticking to a routine.
and a ha ha to the photo you added - my older brother & I had a feather pillow fight once right after the floors were waxed. BIG OOPS, cause that photo was exactly what happened!
My husband would love that 3 minute goodbye hug for my family gatherings. He thinks we should start saying goodbye the minute we get there so, when we say we’re leaving at 11, it doesn’t mean we start saying goodbye at 11 and finally get out the door at midnight.
On the "...nearly 1 in 5 Republicans" item, the Axios source article also said that 12% of Harris supporters believed she should also declare the results invalid if she loses. PRRI and Brookings conducted the survey, and Axios reported the results. PRRI is least-biased according to Media Bias/Fact Check, but both Axios and Brookings lean left. Context matters.
On the "10 Commandments in the classroom" item, the term "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution. That may have been the AP's choice of words in the source article, but opponents of measures like this usually hang their hats on the Establishment Clause. I think it's still a thin-ice argument, because the founders never objected to symbols of faith being present in public places.
Bill of Rights, in the United States, the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which were adopted as a single unit on December 15, 1791, and which constitute a collection of mutually reinforcing guarantees of individual rights and of limitations on federal and state governments.
The first clause in the Bill of Rights states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” This establishment clause, within the First Amendment, has its roots in early American thought.
Amendment: : the process of altering or amending a law or document (such as a constitution) by parliamentary or constitutional procedure.
Drop the mike…
Darrell, yeah, that's why I referenced the Establishment Clause in my initial reply. By "Constitution", I mentally included all the amendments, as most people do. I'm sure the Louisiana legislators examined applicable case law and precedent here, and were careful not to require school students to recite the 10 Commandments along with the Pledge of Allegiance. That would put them crossways with Engel vs. Vitale, Abington School District vs Schempp, Lee vs Weisman, et. al. Historically, most of these Establishment clause cases are decided by 5-4 votes in the Supreme Court when they get that far...
Religious fanatics consider nothing but their own interests and forcing same on the rest of us.
Darrell, that may be true for some of them, but they certainly don't have a monopoly on that now, do they? Whatever someone worships is the cornerstone of their personal religion. It may be their definition of God, but can also be atheism, veganism, intoxicants, bike-only cities, stop-oil activism, popular celebrities, politicians, the list is endless and it's in all our faces all the time. Regardless of how one feels about organized religion, I don't think it's a bad thing to remind children every chance we have that they should respect their parents, and shouldn't lie, steal, or murder. I hope we can agree on that at least. I'm bouncing off this thread -- I sense it moving away from civility.
Morals are not are not exclusive to religions dogma. Plenty of people have morals equal to or perhaps even higher than some “religious” people.
“…that they should respect their parents, and shouldn't lie, steal, or murder. “ I can agree with that 100%.
I think a former republican sums it up nicely:
“There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.”
— Barry Goldwater
Maybe it's being an old man but this election is no more, no less, important than those that have gone before. Arc of time sort of thing. We have survived 250 years. Whatever happens, we'll continue to survive.
I don't know how old you are of course, but just curious - where do you think the importance of this election ranks in your lifetime?
I think all about equal. With the exception of Reagan if I had to pick one.. That one is higher only because, while I didn't think he'd be the best, he was what was needed at the time. Someone to restore America's belief in itself. Maybe that's what we need now, after covid and the economic turmoil it brought. It's up to y'all who you think can do that. Me, I voted for Harris.
https://snyder.substack.com/p/fascism-on-television?r=np4n&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=audio-player
As a Boomer who managed to raise two reasonably intelligent sons, I made darn sure they had regular, age appropriate bedtimes and I read to them almost every night. Why anyone would want small children running around all hours is beyond me. Yes, it’s not easy being a parent but for many years that’s our job title. We can be friends as adults. Cosseting, helicoptering does no one any good in the long run.
With most of the political comments tipping into what I would call “creative”, I’ll leave y’all with this commentary from one of my state’s online news sources. Keep in mind, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.
https://ncnewsline.com/2024/10/22/the-vitally-important-election-issue-that-almost-no-one-discusses/
Hi, Aussie here. could someone please explain what they do with all the money they raise? Is it just user to fund their campaigns? Thanks in advance 😃