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Crixcyon's avatar

The deployment of federal police is to protect the DC swamp, not the public from crime.

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dj l's avatar
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Trump's actions are extremely questionable, I agree

However, on The Free Press, a psychiatrist noted there might be a positive result, & I've posted elsewhere similar thoughts (altho not related to this action of Trump's, but of deinstituionalization. I'm a retired MSSW, & previously worked in psych hospitals w/ young adults, then residential care placements for adolescents. But those types of facilities have virtually disappeared). I'm going to take a few pieces from the psychiatrist's postings to give an idea:

Justice Department’s own Civil Rights Division has forced states to prioritize moving profoundly disabled patients into community care. Too often, that has come at the expense of the far more dire need to increase hospital capacity, because the focus was on keeping as many people as possible in communities, even though their mental healthcare systems cannot adequately care for them.

If the Trump administration succeeds in overturning the most excessive Olmstead-inspired settlement agreements and consent decrees, states will be freed to focus on restoring hospital bed capacity. In time, with less pressure to preserve a limited supply of beds for the most impaired patients, psychiatrists and judges will go beyond the narrow “imminent danger” (i.e., a gun to one’s own head or another’s) standard to other justifications for involuntary care that states have had in place for over half a century but do not rely on often enough.

critics are claiming this could set things back to the days of back ward electric shock & lobotomies - He says in so many ways, & I add, in my words, that's ridiculous. I worked "those" wards, & it didn't happen. The remainder is my addition, if I can try to keep this from going on & on:

There have been too many stories of family members, & even kids (at least one of those kids showing "red flags" BECAME A SHOOTER WHO KILLED!!!)/mental patients themselves, seeking help but being turned away, because there's no place for them - not "sick" enough, not enough of a threat to themselves or others - go to the clinic, take your meds... backload of cases for the social workers, can't get in to see anyone for weeks, months... family members unable, won't take them, so out on the streets... homeless - ewww, public don't like 'em, police can't do anything, unless something awful happens, then there's no place to put them except jail where they certainly don't belong!!!

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dj l's avatar

Crack down on loan companies re: student loans being passed around... crack down on loans for degrees that won’t earn anything to pay off such loans... do something, I don’t know what, about the costs of higher education (of course I could go into a discussion about not admitting people who need refresher courses because they barely got out of high school)... Highly encourage tech school, trade school vs college

Tie the 2 articles together perhaps – how many purchase energy drinks? Daily?

How many drive? I'm not saying those w/ loans shouldn't drive, however: What year/make are the cars? Did they take out a loan?

Who hasn’t paid a dime & now realizes credit rating is being affected which could mean won’t be able to get a loan for a house, so the previous attitude of “Oh, paying off that stupid student loan really isn’t my thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯ “

Had dinner w/ friends a few weeks ago, whose son is an airline pilot doing a regular Madrid & somewhere else & back flight. If they fill Business/1st class, they pretty much pay for their flights. He decided to walk back thru to see the 'typical' flyers. Many young. He stopped to chat w/ a few. One was youngish 20's. Bragged about not having a job, having student loans he would never pay off, why would he want to get a job 9-5, while living at home, using mom & dad's credit card for the flight, by-the-way, he believes in socialism... Not sure how he got a student loan, nor how much it was for, but his attitude does nothing to booster thoughts of support for those w/ debt... in NYC, ie, showing strong support for socialist mayor, btw... where this guy might have been from using mom & dad's money which was most likely made from capitalist means... Does anyone know how I feel?

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Perfectly Imperfect Lynne's avatar

Something else you should avoid? Immediately downplaying a person’s concerns/worries that they are confiding to you. I avoid conversations about my worries with certain people because of this very thing. Sorry Mom.

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Justin Sayn's avatar

Perhaps a $20 phrase is worth it if it startles people enough so that they can learn to identity the $1 problems.

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Jenny Crane's avatar

I had never thought about the phrase but now I will make a conscious effort not to use it.

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Greg Colley's avatar

Trump has a unique remedy to the homeless problem in DC. He just told them to get outta town by sundown.

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Darrell's avatar

Key relevant (to today’s 7 other things) components of fascism:

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights


Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment


Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

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Arlene Milon's avatar

I do it all the time, especially to my kids to give some sort of life lesson of what I did in that situation, hoping to provide an idea. However, I'm noticing it's not that well received and I will try to curb it - at least during the conversation. This was good for me to read. I will stop! Thanks Bill

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Darrell's avatar

Let me know if you find a hack to change because I find it quite difficult!

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Lisa Maniaci's avatar

I read about that "conversational narcissism" years ago, so I never say that...although it wasn't put so eloquently. I know a LOT of people who tend to turn the conversation back to themselves at every opportunity. When my kids came along, I adopted the response:

"Do you want advice or do you want me to just listen?" It works with friends, family, coworkers, checkout ladies in the grocery store, neighbors, etc. Sometimes people just need an ear.

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Darrell's avatar

what about a shared .misery? is that just making g it a bigger deal, or dpes.misery really love company?is it too far from empathy?

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Darrell's avatar

I see there are two if us here?

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Tommy Jennings's avatar

Oftentimes, when I hear someone telling me something, I take it as much of a commiseration, rather than someone looking for an answer. Empathy, rather than answers.

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Maureen Grigs's avatar

Let’s see: I know how you feel about people saying they know how I feel.

Seriously, I understand how narcissism can take over in other people’s comments. In the case of people know, some people can often be a bit self-centered anyway. So as a friend, they can be forgiven. I never do it if it’s a very serious case, even if the same thing has happened to me. When I do it, it’s usually to commiserate on a not so serious subject and I think the person feels validated. We often end up laughing. Maybe I should think that one over!

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Beth I Rogers's avatar

One of the most difficult things to talk about is sharing that our daughter died. I have had people respond to that with “I know how you feel, my pet/90 yr grandmother/3rd cousin twice removed died” and then “well at least she’s no longer in pain”. I’ve since met other parents whose children predeceased them, and while we all may have this deep grief, I cannot presume to know how someone else feels. And many people who are in the throes of grief over the death of a loved one are the ones still in pain, even if their loved one isn’t. They benefit from having THEIR pain acknowledged.

Other phrases that work instead of IKHYF depending on how deep into conversation you want to get: I hear you, that’s an interesting way of handling things, would love to hear more if you want to share, or simply reframing what the person said “wow, you’ve been through a lot, it’s understandable you’re sad about your breakup/upset about your boss’s disrespectfulness”

A couple things about the support phrases you provided: they are inviting further conversation and if not carefully worded could be perceived as quasi therapeutic (tell me how you feel and what you think needs to be done for you to feel better)

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Patty McGlasson's avatar

does - "I'm so sorry to hear that" work?

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dj l's avatar

I can't imagine!

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dj l's avatar

my narcissist ex always had a comeback --- if I felt ill, he felt worse, or began worrying he would get it... if I didn't get a good night's sleep, he slept worse... yep, it was always about him

in every get-together, w/in 15 minutes, or less, people would find out where he went to school, 'cause he was so smart, & on & on...

in other words, if someone would make any comment, he would most definitely say "I know how you feel" or worse, ie:, give advice when not asked for, then blame-game when advice not taken... 'cause ya, know, he's always right... (I had a cartoon taped to the inside of a cabinet door: "I married Mr. Right. His middle name is Always".)

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Rick Dowling's avatar

I told a guy just a bit ago that I knew how he felt cause I felt the same way.

He had just told my wife how he was always happy to see her. He was specific about seeing her not me.

I agreed with that too. So. Sometimes it works. 😬😊

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Patty McGlasson's avatar

I will TRY to avoid the phrase.

The theory makes sense.

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